Wednesday, November 3, 2021

The Way of Civilizations - 2

It Is What It Is

I. What

What is 'civilization' in the context of this and other Dredd Blog series?

Especially the series (Civilization Is Now On Suicide Watch, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9).

The answer is:

"World civilization means the nations of the world interconnected by trade, travel, treaties, and international commerce.

So, when climate change scientists talk about dangers to the existence of civilization they do not mean that the population of human beings as a species is going to become extinct.

In other words, the human species would live on even if civilization ended.

For example, Greenland alone has enough ice that if that ice was to melt it would raise the world's ocean level by 21 feet (~7 meters).

That alone would destroy the ocean-port cities of the civilized world, and thereby destroy world civilization by destroying its primary commerce.

But if you add Antarctica to the equation, much more than just the coastal ports would be lost, because the ocean level would rise beyond belief."

(What Do You Mean - World Civilization?). In our time civilization has become intertwined perhaps more than in previous versions.

Just in case any readers are thinking that 'it can't happen here', let's remember history and herstory in terms of the story of bad choices:

"But always TCS [the creep state] is primarily the population segment diagnosed as a despotic minority which the once most-often-quoted historian, Toynbee, fingered as one of the members of the trinity of extinction that he found in all civilizations that were about to become very successful at becoming extinct:
That something is the dementia that produces and ends up in suicide:
"In other words, a society does not ever die 'from natural causes', but always dies from suicide or murder --- and nearly always from the former, as this chapter has shown."
(A Study of History, by Arnold J. Toynbee). There is no cure for the final symptom of that group dementia, there is only prevention by way of avoiding it altogether in the first place.

The components of that group dementia were pointed out in an encyclopedia piece concerning that historian quoted above:
"In the Study Toynbee examined the rise and fall of 26 civilizations in the course of human history, and he concluded that they rose by responding successfully to challenges under the leadership of creative minorities composed of elite leaders. Civilizations declined when their leaders stopped responding creatively, and the civilizations then sank owing to the sins of nationalism, militarism, and the tyranny of a despotic minority. Unlike Spengler in his The Decline of the West, Toynbee did not regard the death of a civilization as inevitable, for it may or may not continue to respond to successive challenges. Unlike Karl Marx, he saw history as shaped by spiritual, not economic forces" ...
(Encyclopedia Britannica, emphasis added). The show stopper, in terms of remedy, in this type of group dementia is that it is a contagious dementia.
(Etiology of Social Dementia - 18). That particular "minority" is not a racial or ethnic minority, rather, it is primarily composed of a destructive suicidal trance (Choose Your Trances Carefully, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8).
(Arrested Development: The Creep State). The long and the short of it is that cultures devolve over and over again because bad choices exceed good choices."

(How To Enjoy The End Of Bad Choices). It is no deep dark secret that civilizations typically and habitually die out from the bad choices they make.

II. Where & Who

Our current civilization's membership nations, in various degrees, contain instances of nationalism, militarism, as well as despotic minorities.

But the 'minorities' Toynbee is talking about is 'their leaders', which is another way of saying their governments ("Civilizations declined when their leaders...").

The governments, the leaders, are in attendance at COP26, but I don't expect the high level talks or news reports to mention 'the grounding line', so I will.

The appendices to today's post show the seawater temperatures at depths where the seawater is in contact with the ice at tidewater glaciers in Antarctica (and Greenland).

The "Conservative Temperature, Quantum Proportion, Photon Count, and Heat Content" Graphs show temperatures at three pelagic depths (epipelagic(0-200m), mesopelagic(201-1000m), and bathypelagic(1001-4000m)).

In particular, these graphs show the difference in the seawater temperatures at the north (layer 0) and south (layer 16) polar regions, as well as at the equator (layer 9).

Notice that the deeper waters (green and brown colors) are warmer than the shallow waters (red color) in the polar regions.

To the contrary, in the equatorial area the deeper waters are colder than the shallow waters.

Compare that to the appendix containing the Ice Melt Temperature Graphs which reveal that the warmer waters reach down to the grounding line of tidewater glaciers (in all five Antarctic coastal areas).

III. When

Table 1. Estimated potential maximum sea-level rise from the total melting of present-day glaciers and polar ice caps. Source: USGS
Location Volume
Potential sea-level rise,
East Antarctic ice sheet
West Antarctic ice sheet
Antarctic Peninsula
All other ice caps, ice fields, and valley glaciers
Note: 80.32 meters = 263.5 feet

Which means that right now, about 270 years after the industrial revolution began, forces are marshaling to take-out yet another civilization.

The ice sheets are in jeopardy of melting catastrophically.

This is a significant factor in terms of sea level change because the warmer waters, which are above (warmer than) the ice-melt temperature, are in contact with tens of thousands of kilometers (~58,000 km) of glacial ice.

The previous post in this series is here.


  1. Climate change is not the only mega-threat we face.

    Pollution has gone far past the levels we saw when Silent Spring was published. The world seems to be getting closer to true Global Toxification.

    Countless articles now describe massive pollution of the oceans, the ocean bottom, the air, soil, and even plastic beads in ouir bodies.
    Then, there's Fukushima----A steam explosion away from a far greater threat than we've seen there so far.

    Combined with global warming, Global Toxification makes it a double-whammy.
    We would seem to be doomed.

  2. nikto,

    You wrote "Countless articles now describe massive pollution of the oceans".


    Dredd Blog wrote about some of it ~12 years ago (link).

    1. You,Dredd, are ahead of the mainstream media.

      The most prominent MM seems to focus on Climate Change 99% of the time, and ignore pollution.

      Maybe it's all just too much to digest.

  3. "Come on man!" ... here is a link so readers can complain about Dredd Blog including too much "mega-threat" in a single post: (Apocalypse: The Domestic Enemies).

  4. Freddy Perlman wrote "Against His-Story, Against Leviathan" and used Arnold Tonybee's work, "Mankind and Mother Earth - A Narrative History of the World" as a starting point.

    I've now read both and find them enlightening treatise on the true history of the world - and the horrible designs and death inflicted by mankind.

    I also like Thomas Liggoti's "The Conspiracy Against The Human Race", which I mention as an indictment against our species and the rise of consciousness.

    All three authors are correct in their assessments. All three foresaw the horrible effects humans would have on our only habitat. All three tried to awaken the world to the truth of what has happened. All three were widely ignored.

    The world is too immature and far too selfish to give a good goddamn about the Earth and the destruction of the biosphere. The few that care are swept aside, marginalized, murdered and outlawed in the name of 'progress', 'growth' and 'development'.

    We all know the story.

    Toynbee tried to tell us -

    Ecological disaster is happening everywhere -

    The loss of planetary ice is but one of the reasons we are headed for extinction -

    We're still not listening. COP26 will prove that out. ~Survival Acres~

  5. Thank you Anonymous and nikto ...

    I added "Survival Acres" to the Dredd Blog links page (see Links tab)

  6. Thank you! ~Survival Acres~