Saturday, March 10, 2012

Fighting Terrorism For 200 Years - 2

Johnny Depp as Tonto
In the first post of this series we touched upon a case where the descendants of Geronimo have been terrorized for many years by grave robbers, of the robber baron sort, at a "decent" university.

The photo of Johnny Depp (left), as Tonto in the movie "The Lone Ranger", still being filmed, may capture how the Native Americans feel about frat boys toying with the remains of their ancestors after having terrorized Native Americans.

It was Noam Chomsky who said "terrorism is what other nations do", meaning the government of the calls terrorism something else when they do it to others.

It has come to light that the government of the may also not be willing to do anything about Saudi Arabian terrorism either.

At least that is the case if one gives credence to multi-district litigation taking place in the federal district court in Manhattan, concerning the 9/11 attacks, accusing Saudi Arabia of bankrolling that terrorism.

Saudi Arabia is being sued for taking part in 9/11 by various insurance companies, the estate of a high ranking FBI agent, and family members who say Saudi Arabia conspired to kill their relatives on 9/11/01.

The MSNBC videos at the bottom of this post contain, first, discussions of the case between Chris Matthews of Hardball, ex-CIA agent Baer, and NY Times investigative reporter Lichtblau.

They discuss the sworn testimony of two U.S. Senators, one of whom was a commissioner on the 9/11 Commission, the other was the chairman of the Joint Congressional Committee overseeing the 9/11 issues.

Chris Matthews asks CIA agent Baer why the U.S. government did not go after Saudi Arabia back then, and why they still are not doing so now.

Agent Baer replied that it is because we needed Saudi Arabia to be on our side in the Iraq war then, they had big oil then, and still have big oil now.

Did you notice that there is a problem with Baer's comments in response to Matthew's question, about why the Saudi's were hurriedly spirited out of the United States on 9/11?

Baer says Saudi's were allowed to fly their planes out of the U.S. (when all U.S. civilian aircraft were grounded) on 9/11/01, because we needed Saudi Arabia as an ally in the Iraq war, plus they have oil that we needed then and still need now.

The problem with Baer's attempted explanation is that, for quite a while after 9/11, the Bush II regime said they had not made up their "minds" about whether or not Iraq was involved in 9/11, in the sense of whether or not Iraq would be invaded.

So, is Baer saying that the Bush II administration was lying about Iraq, i.e., is he saying that they had their minds made up to invade Iraq on or before 9/11?

Be that as it may, others, including Richard Clarke and General Wesley Clark have said that an invasion of several nations, including Iraq, had been planned before 2001, by oil barons wanting Iraqi oil.

Iraq was invaded in March of 2003, ~2.5 years after the Saudi's were protected on 9/11/01, so as to keep them as allies, even though they were conspirators in 9/11?

The discussions on Morning Joe reflect the same general flow, which really boils down to:
The U.S. government allows its citizens to be killed en masse by foreigners, without repercussions so long as the country doing it has more oil than any other terrorist country involved?
It is not like it would be hard to find the Saudi agent who got money from the Saudi Embassy, then gave it to two of the hijackers in San Diego, nor would it be hard to locate the Sarasota, Florida, Saudi Agent:
A Saudi Arabian accused of associating with several of the September 11 hijackers and who disappeared from his home in the United States a few weeks before the attacks on the World Trade Centre and the Pentagon, is in London working for his country’s state oil company.

Abdulaziz al-Hijji and his wife Anoud left three cars at their luxurious home in a gated community in Sarasota, Florida — one of them new — and flew to Saudi Arabia in August 2001. The refrigerator was full of food; furniture and clothing were left behind; and the swimming pool water was still circulating.

Bush II Holds Hands with Saudi King
Security records of cars passing through a checkpoint at the Prestancia gated community indicated that Mr al-Hijji’s home, 4224 Escondito Circle, had been visited a number of times by Mohamed Atta, the leader of the 19-strong hijack team, who piloted American Airlines Flight 11 into the North Tower of the World Trade Centre in 2001.

The logs also indicated that Marwan Al-Shehhi, who crashed United Airlines Flight 175 into the South Tower, and Ziad Jarrah, who was at the controls of United Airlines Flight 93 when it crashed in a field in Pennsylvania, had visited the house.

All three men had trained to fly at Venice Airport, which is 19 miles from Sarasota.
(Telegraph, 2-18-2012). No, logistics has nothing to do with it, because it looks more like a cover-up than anything else, to this blogger anyway.

The federal government is asking the federal court in Manhattan to dismiss the case against Saudi Arabia, no matter what victims of the attack think.

The U.S. Department of Just Us says it wants the case against Saudi Arabia dismissed because Saudi Arabia is a sovereign nation that is immune, even if they are guilty.

Besides, they have lots of oil and the Saudi King held hands with Bush II (which renders 3,000 American deaths on 9/11 irrelevant?).

Hardball, March 1, 2012:

Morning Joe, March 1, 2012:

The next post in this series is here.


  1. Evidently terrorism is ok for elites, foreign or domestic: Link

  2. If Palestinians shoot a missle from the ground in Gaza or Lebanon into Israeli territory, killing civilians, that's "terrorism"

    If Americans shoot a missle from a drone into Pakistani territory, killing civilians, that's "collateral damage"

    When some Jihad Talaat al-Fath guys disguise themselves as employees and sneak into a tourist attraction in Egypt and shoot up a bunch of civilians, that's "terrorism"

    When some British SAS guys disguise themselves in Libyan civilian clothes, integrate into Libyan rebel operations and shoot up a bunch of townspeople, that's "covert operations" and "advisory assistance"

  3. Chris Matthews, in the video, says "this is the opposite of what the Truthers say" about 9/11.

    His use of the false comparison, the grandiose overgeneralization, is also factually wrong, because not all Truthers are the same.

    For example:

    "Pilots for 9/11 Truth is an organization of aviation professionals and pilots throughout the globe who have gathered together for one purpose. We are committed to seeking the truth surrounding the events of the 11th of September 2001. Our main focus concentrates on the four flights, maneuvers performed and the reported pilots. We do not offer theory or point blame at this point in time. However, we are focused on determining the truth of that fateful day based on solid data and facts -- since 9/11/2001 is the catalyst for many of the events shaping our world today -- and the United States Government doesn't seem to be very forthcoming with answers or facts.

    We stand with the numerous other growing organizations of Firefighters, Medical Professionals, Lawyers, Scholars, Military Officers, Veterans, Religious and Political Leaders, along side Survivors, family members of the victims -- family members of soldiers who have made the ultimate sacrifice -- including the many Ground Zero workers who are now ill or have passed away, when we ask for a true, new independent investigation into the events of 9/11. We do not accept the 9/11 Commission Report and/or "hypothesis" as a satisfactory explanation for the sacrifice every American has made and continues to make -- some more than others.

    Thank you for taking the time to inform yourself
    ." Link

  4. In the Morning Joe episode, Steven Rattner calls the Saudi involvement in 9/11 "Things you just don't want to know" ...

    He does not want to know why Bush II and the 9/11 Commission made up things?