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Monday, January 9, 2023

January Six Committee - 2

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I. January Six Committee Time Expires

The January Six Committee is no longer operational, but their documents are available at LawFare.

I will continue the study of their depositions and interview documents with a focus on words used in those documents (like I did with the Final Report in the first post of this series).

II. Amendments Galore

In this series, involving a somewhat unique type of "the insurrection happened like this" document, I began with a focus on the words used in various documents.

It started with the Final Report document, and today I am intensifying that focus, by providing appendices of word use in about 250 depositions and/or interviews (Appendix 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8).

III. Those Who Took The Fifth

I suspect that to some folks "who took the Fifth" will be the most intriguing subject, because that subject has a special rather than a general focus.

A lot of the previous administration officials took the Fifth Amendment's protection (which was made for those who do not wish to incriminate themselves; which is cool, but note that some folks think it is best to avoid self incrimination by not committing crimes.)

Anyway, the following section lists the names of the individuals who "took the Fifth" rather than disclose information which the January 6 members were interested in.

The said section contains lists of the page numbers in their depositions where the questions "they could not answer" are recorded (for our perusal).

This type of focus is a tactic used by investigators in many fields.

I am giving it to you for free, all the while hoping that you will enjoy your gift.

Moving on, here is some of that "Fifth dimension" data that Dredd Blog dug up for "youse guys" and "y'all":


Fifth Amendment
Assertion Events
By The Following People
During The January 6 Committee
Interviews and/or Depositions

Legend:

The (numbers in parentheses) following
the name of the person, refer to the
deposition link & date. Thereafter, the list
of numbers followed by a comma refer to
page numbers
in their deposition/interview
where they asserted the Fifth Amendment.

Jenna Ellis (2022.03.08):
7, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37, 38, 39, 40, 41, 42, 43, 44, 45, 46, 47, 48, 49, 50, 51, 52, 53, 54, 55, 56, 57, 58, 59, 60, 61, 62, 63, 64, 65,
Elmer Stewart Rhodes III (2022.02.02):
4, 15, 16, 17, 19, 20, 27, 32, 37, 47, 55, 56, 60, 62, 65, 66, 87, 89, 105, 109, 114, 115, 116, 135, 155, 167, 168, 169, 170, 171, 172, 173, 174, 176, 178, 179, 180, 181, 182, 185, 193, 196, 197, 199,
Mike Roman (2022.08.10):
9, 17, 19, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37, 38, 39, 40, 41, 42, 43, 44, 45, 46, 47, 48, 49, 50, 51, 52, 53, 54, 55, 56, 57, 58, 59, 60, 61, 62, 63, 64, 65, 66, 67,
Joshua Eric Macias (2022.05.02):
5, 8, 9, 10, 12, 13, 14, 17, 18, 19, 20, 22, 25, 26, 28, 29, 31, 34, 36,
Michael Flynn (2022.03.10):
11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 37, 38, 39, 40, 41, 42, 43, 44, 45, 46, 47, 48, 49, 50, 51, 52, 53, 54, 55, 56, 57, 58, 59, 60, 61, 62, 63, 64, 65, 66, 67, 68, 69, 70, 71, 72, 73, 74, 75, 76, 78, 79, 80, 81, 82, 83, 84, 85, 86, 87,
Patrick Casey (2022.03.02):
38, 39, 40, 41, 42, 43, 44, 46, 47, 48, 49, 50, 51, 52, 54, 55, 56, 58, 60, 62, 67, 74, 76, 77, 78, 79, 80, 83, 86, 93, 94, 95, 97,
Alexander Bruesewitz (2022.03.08):
5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25,
Christopher Barcenas (2022.03.10):
4, 11, 12, 16, 18, 19, 37, 58, 91, 95, 96, 98, 99, 101,
Nicholas J Fuentes (2022.02.16):
8, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37, 38, 39, 40, 41, 43, 44, 45, 46, 50,
Henry Tarrio (2022.02.04):
5, 7, 8, 9, 10, 14, 16, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37, 41, 69, 70, 226, 229,
Michael J Mcdonald (2022.02.24):
12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37, 38, 39, 40, 41, 42, 43, 44, 45, 46, 47, 49, 50, 51, 52, 53, 55, 56, 57, 58, 59, 60, 61, 62, 64, 65, 66, 67, 68, 69, 70, 71, 72, 73, 74, 75, 76, 77, 78,
Bianca Gracia (2022.04.07):
3, 4, 5, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25,
Kathy Berden (2022.03.11):
9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26,
John Eastman (2021.12.09):
5, 6, 7, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37, 38, 39, 40, 41, 42, 43, 44, 45, 46, 47,
Roger Stone (2021.12.17):
5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30,
Kimberly Fletcher (2022.01.14):
7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37, 38, 39, 40,
Dion Cini (2022.05.19):
5, 8, 9, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35,
Robert Patrick Lewis (2022.04.15):
4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20,
Antonio P Lamotta (2022.05.26):
5, 6, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25,
Alex Jones (2022.01.24):
5, 6, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 36, 37, 38, 39,
John Matze (2022.05.25):
4, 5, 8, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37, 38, 39, 40, 41, 42, 43, 44, 45, 46, 47, 48, 49, 50, 51, 52, 53, 54,
Julia Fancelli (2022.02.18):
7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 38, 79, 80, 101, 103, 107, 112, 113, 120, 124,
Ryan Kelley (2022.04.21):
50, 65, 66, 67, 68, 71, 72, 73, 78,
Jeffrey Clark (2022.02.02):
6, 9, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37, 38, 39, 40, 41, 42, 43, 44, 45, 46,
Enrique Alejandro De La Torre (2022.05.11):
5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17,
Mayra Rodriguez (2022.02.22):
9, 10, 12, 13, 14, 15, 18, 19, 20, 22, 24, 25, 26, 27,
Garrett M Ziegler (2022.07.19):
5, 6, 7, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28,
Charlie Kirk (2022.05.24):
6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26,
Philip Luelsdorff (2022.04.18):
4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18,
Kelli Ward (2022.03.16):
6, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37, 38, 39, 40, 41, 42, 43, 44, 45, 46, 47, 48, 49, 50, 51, 52, 53, 54, 55, 56, 57, 58, 59, 60, 61, 62, 63, 64, 65, 66,

IV. Closing Comments

"Dredd, why is this information useful?" you may be wondering, so, ponder this:

"While some of the potential outcomes described above represent worst case-scenarios, the key takeaway is that in the corporate fraud context, pleading the Fifth is rarely a freebie and more often than not, it entails increased exposure on several fronts. Those costs usually outweigh the potential benefits for corporations, even if not for their senior executives in the prosecutorial crosshairs."

(The Perils of Pleading the Fifth...). Yes, but "the prosecutorial crosshairs" are one consideration, but there are also the investigatorial crosshairs to consider.

I won't elaborate further, except to say "there is nothing wrong with money" HOWEVER, don't forget the mantra of investigators: "follow the money".

So, let me close by saying (to all of my fellow investigators) "follow the Fifth".

The next post in this series is here, the previous post in this series is here.



3 comments:

  1. Traitors in and out of office abound. We all know it. Everyone who participate in the insurrection, before, during, after is a traitor to the US Constitution, plain and simple. Anyone who claims "stolen election", "fraud", et. al., is also likely a traitor to the Constitution. Anyone who pled the 5th is a traitor. Anyone who refused to testify is a traitor. Anyone who voted Republican is LIKELY a traitor. I have no use for any of these people, they are a blight upon humanity and a horrifying drag on the country, they all need to be prosecuted and held accountable for their many crimes.

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    1. Anonymous the Fifth Amendment does allow anyone charged with a crime to be able to remain silent: "No person shall be ... compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself" (link). The question then, is "when does a criminal case begin" eh? Wouldn't that be when a government agent begins to ask a suspect questions about his or her behavior related to the alleged crime? Following the "Fifth" like following the "money" is not prohibited.

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    2. The right to remain silent "is limited to speaking, nodding, or writing. Other personal information that might be incriminating, such as blood or hair samples, DNA samples, or fingerprints, may be used as evidence, with or without the accused’s permission." (Fifth Amendment). Investigators can review the "trail" of a suspect (e.g. "follow the money") or testimony of other witnesses, and anything else that leads them in the direction toward criminal behavior.

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